Legislature(1995 - 1996)
01/31/1995 01:02 PM House CRA
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HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS
STANDING COMMITTEE
January 31, 1995
1:02 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Ivan Ivan, Co-Chair
Representative Alan Austerman, Co-Chair
Representative Jerry Mackie
Representative Kim Elton
Representative Al Vezey
Representative Pete Kott
Representative Irene Nicholia
MEMBERS ABSENT
None
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT
Representative Mark Hanley
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
* HB 86: "An Act relating to municipal property taxes."
PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE
* HB 80: "An Act relating to the approval, change or vacation of
subdivision plats in areas outside boroughs, in the
unorganized borough outside of cities, and in the third
class boroughs, and relating to the definitions of
'street' and 'subdivision'."
HEARD AND HELD
WITNESS REGISTER
MARK HANLEY, House Representative
Alaska State Legislature
State Capitol Building Rm. 507
Juneau, AK 99801
Telephone: (907) 465-4939
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced HB 86 as bill sponsor
STEVE VAN SANT, State Assessor
Department of Community and Regional Affairs
Anchorage Legislative Office
716 W 4th Ave. Ste. 200
Anchorage, AK 99501-2133
Telephone: (907) 269-4605
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 86
CHARLES DEVILLE
P.O. Box 362
Cordova, Alaska 99574
Telephone: (907) 424-3310
BARBARA LACHER, Mayor
Mat-su
350 E. Dahlia
Palmer, AK 99645
Telephone: (907) 745-4801
JEANNETTE JAMES, House Representative
Alaska State Legislature
State Capitol Building Rm. 102
Juneau, AK 99801
Telephone: (907) 465-3743
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced HB 80
IKE WAITS, Chief Planner
Division of Municipal & Regional Assistance
Department of Community and Regional Affairs
333 W 4th Ave. Ste 319
Anchorage, AK 99501
Telephone: (907) 269-4500
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported comments made by Mr. Elliot
RICK ELLIOT, Municipal Lands Trustee
Community and Regional Affairs
333 W 4th Ave. Ste. 319
Anchorage, AK 99501
Telephone: (907) 269-4500
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions concerning HB 80.
PATRICK KALEN, Surveyor
American Congress on Surveying and Mapping
5410 Grosbenor Lane
Bethesda, MD 20814
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HB 80
RON SWANSON, Director
Division of Land
Department of Community and Regional Affairs
3601 C St., Ste. 1122
Anchorage, AK 99503-5947
Telephone: (907) 762-2692
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions pertaining to HB 80.
MO AO MENZIES, Surveyor
R & II Engring
Box 34278
Juneau, AK 99801
Telephone: (907) 780-6060
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 80
PREVIOUS ACTION
BILL: HB 86
SHORT TITLE: MUNICIPAL PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXATION
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) HANLEY, Kohring, Bunde
CURRENT STATUS: (H) RLS STATUS DATE: 02/01/95
TITLE: "An Act relating to municipal property taxes."
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
01/17/95 50 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)
01/17/95 51 (H) COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS
01/18/95 75 (H) COSPONSOR(S): KOHRING
01/26/95 148 (H) COSPONSOR(S): KOHRING-1ST COSPONSOR
01/31/95 (H) CRA AT 01:00 PM CAPITOL 124
BILL: HB 80
SHORT TITLE: DNR APPROVAL OF PLATS IN UNORG BOROUGH
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) JAMES
CURRENT STATUS: (H) FIN STATUS DATE: 02/27/95
THEN RLS
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
01/13/95 41 (H) PREFILE RELEASED
01/16/95 41 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)
01/16/95 41 (H) COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS, RESOURCES
01/31/95 (H) CRA AT 01:00 PM CAPITOL 124
ACTION NARRATIVE
MINUTES FOR THIS MEETING WERE PREPARED USING LOG NOTES AS TAPES
WERE LOST.
Number 000
CO-CHAIR IVAN IVAN opened the meeting at 1:02 p.m. and proceeded to
review the committee agenda.
HCRA - 01/31/95
MINUTES FOR THIS MEETING WERE PREPARED USING LOG NOTES AS TAPES
WERE LOST.
HB 86 - MUNICIPAL PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXATION
Number 041
CO-CHAIR IVAN invited Representative Hanley to come forward and
introduce HB 86.
REPRESENTATIVE MARK HANLEY came forward to read the sponsor
statement as well as offered explanations for the bill.
Number 132
CO-CHAIR IVAN recognized the attendance by Representatives Mackie
and Nicholia.
Number 143
REPRESENTATIVE AL VEZEY posed a question of Representative Hanley
to which Representative Hanley answered.
Number 187
CO-CHAIR IVAN asked if this was considered last year.
Number 195
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY responded by saying that there had been
committee hearings concerning this issue making everyone aware of
what was going on.
Number 206
CO-CHAIR IVAN asked if the option was available for municipalities
to look at the revenue.
Number 213
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE asked a question.
Number 220
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY gave an explanation of the property tax in
that they had created a new heading under which such items such as
camper shells and snow machines would fall. He also talked about
municipalities getting the right to set their own flat fee on
property.
Number 237
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE wanted to know what other kinds of things
would be exempted under this bill.
Number 241
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY answered that all types of personal property
could be exempted.
Number 263
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE asked what properties have been exempted.
Number 271
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY replied what the process was exactly.
Number 273
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE asked another question.
Number 275
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY answered.
Number 277
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY questioned leased property.
Number 280
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY answered that currently leased property is
eligible to be taxed.
Number 292
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY noted that he felt Section 4 to be poorly
worded.
Number 299
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY said it would be up to the local community to
decide upon whether to tax leased property or not.
Number 313
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY wanted to know why the wording would be
changed because it states the same thing now.
Number 320
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY asked Representative Vezey if he didn't even
want Section 4.
Number 324 to Number 354
Indisc.
Number 361
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY said that airplanes would under this bill be
taxed a flat fee rather than based upon a stated assessed value.
Number 370-382
Indisc.
Number 384
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON questioned that nothing in the bill would
affect the state assessors job. If a flat fee would be generated
by the local community, then the need for an assessor would
diminish.
Number 395
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY responded that Representative Elton would
need to ask the state assessor himself.
Number 398
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE moved to accept the proposed amendments.
Number 402
CO-CHAIR IVAN heard no objections and it was so ordered.
Number 404
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE asked Representative Hanley a question.
Number 413
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY answered and gave an explanation.
Number 426
CO-CHAIR IVAN invited Steve Van Sant from Anchorage to come on line
and offer his testimony.
Number 429
STEVE VAN SANT, the state assessor, mentioned that he would like to
remove Section 4. He put forth comments from his end regarding HB
86.
Number 450
CO-CHAIR IVAN welcomed any questions or comments from the
committee. Also at this point, Representative Vezey left.
Number 455
CHARLES DEVILLE from Cordova stated that he was a boat owner and
had five vessels, and he wanted to know the standing on taxing
documented or undocumented vessels.
Number 468
REPRESENTATIVE HANLEY replied that boats would just fall under the
category of adhering to a flat tax.
Number 485
MR. DEVILLE stated he appreciated the time given to him by the
committee to testify.
Number 488
CO-CHAIR IVAN welcomed the comments of Patricia Fisher from
Cordova.
Number 489
PATRICIA FISHER testified in support of HB 86.
Number 494
CO-CHAIR IVAN welcomed the testimony of Scott Novak from Cordova.
Number 496
SCOTT NOVAK supported HB 86 and with the amendment he felt it was
a better bill.
Number 519
CO-CHAIR IVAN asked committee member if they had any further
comments or questions concerning HB 86.
Number 525
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE moved to pass the committee substitute for HB
86 out of the committee with committee recommendations.
Number 533
BARBARA LACHER broke in from Mat-su to say they did support HB 86.
Number 543
Indisc.
Number 546
CO-CHAIR IVAN heard no objections and was so ordered.
HCRA - 01/31/95
MINUTES FOR THIS MEETING WERE PREPARED USING LOG NOTES AS TAPES
WERE LOST.
HB 80 - DNR APPROVAL OF PLATS IN UNORG BOROUGH
CO-CHAIR IVAN then went on to invite Representative Jeannette James
to come forward to introduce HB 80 as the bill sponsor.
Number 567
REPRESENTATIVE JEANNETTE JAMES came forward and read the sponsor
statement for HB 80 and explained the purpose behind HB 80. One
problem she felt the bill had was in trying to define the word
'subdivision' such the Department of Transportation couldn't come
and ask for certain things to be exempted. She mentioned that this
bill was around during the last legislative session and she hoped
that this issued could be resolved during this session.
Number 614
CO-CHAIR IVAN recognized the attendance of Representative Davies.
Number 618
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE asked a question of Representative James
concerning HB 80 to which she answered.
Number 626
CO-CHAIR IVAN invited other committee members to come forth with
their questions and comments. He then went on to recognize Ike
Waits on teleconference from Anchorage.
Number 633
IKE WAITS stated that he wanted Rick Elliot to proceed with is
testimony first and that he was just there to offer backup and
support.
Number 638
CO-CHAIR IVAN invited Rick Elliot to come forward to testify.
Number 639
RICK ELLIOT listed points of importance concerning HB 80. The
first being that the language should be clarified more with all the
exemptions listed in one paragraph. The second point he mentioned
was the exception of leasing as a municipal trust land and to
include as exempted, subdivision. His third point was to specify
the limited amendment to the statement and make it simple.
Number 688
CO-CHAIR IVAN asked for questions or comments from the committee.
Number 689
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES stated that she would look at the changes
proposed for HB 80.
Number 693
Indisc.
Number 701
RICK ELLIOT spoke on teleconference from Anchorage to say that he
was open to questions or comments concerning HB 80.
Number 000
CO-CHAIR IVAN also invited comments and then recognized Pat Kalen
in Fairbanks and asked him to give his testimony.
Number 014
PATRICK KALEN stated that he commended Representative James for her
work with HB 80. He mentioned some concerns that he had regarding
this bill including subdivisions and existing write-ups. He also
was concerned over the attempts by the Department of Transportation
to request that they be exempted from certain taxes. He has worked
and followed this bill since it was a Senate Bill in the 17th
Legislature.
Number 130
CO-CHAIR IVAN introduced Ron Swanson on teleconference from
Anchorage.
Number 135
RON SWANSON, made several comments regarding HB 80.
Number 189
CO-CHAIR IVAN recognized Representative Mackie.
Number 191
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE asked Mr. Swanson a question regarding plats.
Number 211
MR. SWANSON answered the question concerning plats.
Number 227
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE wanted to know if everyone had been looking
at this realistically and at the present ability to be able to
handle this platting situation.
Number 239
MR. SWANSON stated that it was not his intent to lower the number
of surveyors in the state of Alaska.
Number 249
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES stated that she was still concerned over
Section 4.
Number 263
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE questioned the program receipts.
Number 291
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked if they were going to continue as it
were.
Number 304
CO-CHAIR IVAN put forth his own comments on the issue.
Number 319-340, Indisc.
Number 342
MO AO MENZIES testified in support of HB 80.
Number 392
CO-CHAIR IVAN invited question and comments from anyone.
Number 394
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE had a question to which Mr. Menzies answered.
Number 406
CO-CHAIR IVAN again welcomed any comments or questions.
Number 409
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY posed a question concerning unorganized
boroughs.
Number 416
MR. MENZIES stated that it was not all on a rectangular system.
Number 425
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY inquired about the Department of
Transportation and the disregard for existing monuments.
Number 431
MR. MENZIES asked that the monumentations be completed.
Number 445
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY expressed his appreciation for having his
questions answered.
Number 447
CO-CHAIR IVAN wanted to know if there was anyone else wishing to
testify on HB 80.
Number 454
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE suggested that the bill be held for two days
to be reviewed more extensively and then be brought back before the
committee meeting on Thursday. He stated that he did support the
bill, but that he felt certain areas needed working on.
Number 464
CO-CHAIR IVAN asked Representative James to work on the bill with
Tom, the C&RA committee aide and agreed to having the bill brought
before the committee again.
Number 473
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES stated that she wished the copies of the
changes be given to Ron Swanson in Anchorage.
Number 478
CO-CHAIR IVAN read the proposed agenda for the next meeting and
adjourned the meeting at 2:09 p.m.
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